Post by sirius on Jul 7, 2006 16:42:05 GMT 7
Patched: This pattern are in non-white belly (self) gerbils like black, burmese, dove, lilac, nutmeg, siamese, slate, silver nutmeg ja yellow nutmeg**.
Gerbil has spots in forehead, neck and nose. The balanced circle the better. In tail should be a white tuft, but this is very rare, in reallly good pathed gerbils have this. In stomach they usually have two little spots. In pawns white socks. Eyes depends of the main colour.
Here's an example of a slate patched:
Pied= Pied is in self colour (non-white belly) such as: Black, Burmese, Dove, Lilac, Nutmeg, Siamese ja Slate **.
The main colour should be standard. Gerbil should have in neck wide and white aligned border, which are connected in sides to white belly. In forehead should be a white spot which should be as big as possible and it musn't connect to white throat pattern. Nose,chin anf legs should be white. Tailtuft should be white and the white under tail is permissible. So it's okey whether gerbils has or doesn't have it. In self colour are can be few single white hairs. Nails are neutral colour and eyes black or rubyred, depends of the main colour.Whiskers should be also the colour as the main colour has.
Here's an example of a black pied:
Collared = is only in white bellies gerbils, like Agouti, Argente, ArgenteCream, Grey agouti, Ivory Cream ja Smoke **.
Gerbil should have a wide and aligned border, which is connected to white in sides. In forehead should be a white spot which should be as big as possible and it musn't connect to white throat pattern. Nose,chin anf legs should be white. Tailtuft should be white and the white under tail is permissible. So it's okey whether gerbils has or doesn't have it. In self colour are can be few single white hairs. Nails are neutral colour and eyes black or rubyred, depends of the main colour.Whiskers should be also the colour as the main colour has.
Here's an example of a grey agouti collared:
White spotted= pattern in white belly gerbils, like agouti, argente, argente cream, grey agouti, ivory cream ja smoke**.
Gerbil has spots in forehead, neck and nose. The balanced circle the better. In tail should be a white tuft, but this is very rare, in reallly good pathed gerbils have this. In stomach they usually have two little spots. In pawns white socks. Eyes depends of the main colour.
(sorry,not pic,but compare with patched,notice the colours)
I can make you an example with help of one pied and patched breeder. She made a table of that and I can put it here:
breeded --------- Litters tot. ------- pups/litter ---- with pattern ---- self ---- total. - self colour %
PiedxPied ------------ 9 -------------------- 4,3 ----------- 28 ------------- 11 ------- 39 ----- 28,2%
PiedxSelf ------------ 7 -------------------- 5,4 ----------- 17 ------------- 21 ------- 38 ----- 55,2%
PiedxPatched -------- 5 -------------------- 4,6 ----------- 20 ------------- 3 -------- 23 ------- 13%
It looks like that the gene which causes collared/pied gene is a lethal analogous like white spotted/ patched.
So piedxpied litters have been birth 20,3% less pups than pied x self.
Notice that this table is not so big, so we cannot be sure.
The weirdest thing is how that white area behaves. Collared/pied births collared/pied or those who look like white spotted/patched.
The rule is: if collared/pied are mixed to another collared/pied the white area tries to increase, means that the pups are collared/pied and there can be more white than their parents have. If collared/pied is mixed to self colour there'll be white spotted/patched patterns.
The increase or decrease of that white colour may be affected by polymer genes. It can be thought that these genes are + genes to white colour. The more + gene gerbil have the more white she/he has.
The question is how to breed collared/ pied gerbils, if the amount of white increases when you mix with collared/pied together and decreases when mix collared/pied with self colours?
First of all, the breeder needs 3 types of gerbils: collareds/pieds, self and white spotted/patched gerbils (which have collared/pied background)
Mainly it's good to mix only collareds and pieds together and those "bad" collareds/pieds back to "good" collared/pied gerbils.
If the amount of white colour increases too much, you can use self colours. The result here is usually "bad" collared/pied, which can be mixed back to "good" collared/pied gerbils.
Tricky, isn't it
And because collareds and pieds are usually smaller than self colours are, so use as big as possible,good type and good colour of nonselfs. Thats how we can make more size, tyoe and makes the colour better, which is usually too blond, because collared/pied pattern also decreases the pigment of that main clolour.That's why it's important to look carefully when you are "deciding" the colour of your collared/pied. Usually the black "blondes" so much that it can look like slate. And slate gets a little bit of blue and usually lilac looks like dove. Agouti collareds usually doesn't have that reddish, what is meant to be."
(taken from "finland's gerbil assosiation's page:(www.gerbiiliyhdistys.fi/gerbiilit/pied_collared.html )
Always still remember this:
Use ONLY good gerbils with GOOD body and behaviour and who has no sickness or diseases.
**(some colours are in different name than you use, contact to me with private message,and I'll modify this)
I hope this cleared some misunderstandings and made you more info about these patterns.
Please,don't spoil this subject with 'that colour has a wrong name or we don't have that or this doesn't go like this, send these with private message. I want to keep this clean
Questions are wellcome
Gerbil has spots in forehead, neck and nose. The balanced circle the better. In tail should be a white tuft, but this is very rare, in reallly good pathed gerbils have this. In stomach they usually have two little spots. In pawns white socks. Eyes depends of the main colour.
Here's an example of a slate patched:
Pied= Pied is in self colour (non-white belly) such as: Black, Burmese, Dove, Lilac, Nutmeg, Siamese ja Slate **.
The main colour should be standard. Gerbil should have in neck wide and white aligned border, which are connected in sides to white belly. In forehead should be a white spot which should be as big as possible and it musn't connect to white throat pattern. Nose,chin anf legs should be white. Tailtuft should be white and the white under tail is permissible. So it's okey whether gerbils has or doesn't have it. In self colour are can be few single white hairs. Nails are neutral colour and eyes black or rubyred, depends of the main colour.Whiskers should be also the colour as the main colour has.
Here's an example of a black pied:
Collared = is only in white bellies gerbils, like Agouti, Argente, ArgenteCream, Grey agouti, Ivory Cream ja Smoke **.
Gerbil should have a wide and aligned border, which is connected to white in sides. In forehead should be a white spot which should be as big as possible and it musn't connect to white throat pattern. Nose,chin anf legs should be white. Tailtuft should be white and the white under tail is permissible. So it's okey whether gerbils has or doesn't have it. In self colour are can be few single white hairs. Nails are neutral colour and eyes black or rubyred, depends of the main colour.Whiskers should be also the colour as the main colour has.
Here's an example of a grey agouti collared:
White spotted= pattern in white belly gerbils, like agouti, argente, argente cream, grey agouti, ivory cream ja smoke**.
Gerbil has spots in forehead, neck and nose. The balanced circle the better. In tail should be a white tuft, but this is very rare, in reallly good pathed gerbils have this. In stomach they usually have two little spots. In pawns white socks. Eyes depends of the main colour.
(sorry,not pic,but compare with patched,notice the colours)
I can make you an example with help of one pied and patched breeder. She made a table of that and I can put it here:
breeded --------- Litters tot. ------- pups/litter ---- with pattern ---- self ---- total. - self colour %
PiedxPied ------------ 9 -------------------- 4,3 ----------- 28 ------------- 11 ------- 39 ----- 28,2%
PiedxSelf ------------ 7 -------------------- 5,4 ----------- 17 ------------- 21 ------- 38 ----- 55,2%
PiedxPatched -------- 5 -------------------- 4,6 ----------- 20 ------------- 3 -------- 23 ------- 13%
It looks like that the gene which causes collared/pied gene is a lethal analogous like white spotted/ patched.
So piedxpied litters have been birth 20,3% less pups than pied x self.
Notice that this table is not so big, so we cannot be sure.
The weirdest thing is how that white area behaves. Collared/pied births collared/pied or those who look like white spotted/patched.
The rule is: if collared/pied are mixed to another collared/pied the white area tries to increase, means that the pups are collared/pied and there can be more white than their parents have. If collared/pied is mixed to self colour there'll be white spotted/patched patterns.
The increase or decrease of that white colour may be affected by polymer genes. It can be thought that these genes are + genes to white colour. The more + gene gerbil have the more white she/he has.
The question is how to breed collared/ pied gerbils, if the amount of white increases when you mix with collared/pied together and decreases when mix collared/pied with self colours?
First of all, the breeder needs 3 types of gerbils: collareds/pieds, self and white spotted/patched gerbils (which have collared/pied background)
Mainly it's good to mix only collareds and pieds together and those "bad" collareds/pieds back to "good" collared/pied gerbils.
If the amount of white colour increases too much, you can use self colours. The result here is usually "bad" collared/pied, which can be mixed back to "good" collared/pied gerbils.
Tricky, isn't it
And because collareds and pieds are usually smaller than self colours are, so use as big as possible,good type and good colour of nonselfs. Thats how we can make more size, tyoe and makes the colour better, which is usually too blond, because collared/pied pattern also decreases the pigment of that main clolour.That's why it's important to look carefully when you are "deciding" the colour of your collared/pied. Usually the black "blondes" so much that it can look like slate. And slate gets a little bit of blue and usually lilac looks like dove. Agouti collareds usually doesn't have that reddish, what is meant to be."
(taken from "finland's gerbil assosiation's page:(www.gerbiiliyhdistys.fi/gerbiilit/pied_collared.html )
Always still remember this:
Use ONLY good gerbils with GOOD body and behaviour and who has no sickness or diseases.
**(some colours are in different name than you use, contact to me with private message,and I'll modify this)
I hope this cleared some misunderstandings and made you more info about these patterns.
Please,don't spoil this subject with 'that colour has a wrong name or we don't have that or this doesn't go like this, send these with private message. I want to keep this clean
Questions are wellcome
